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Micro-review of Banquet for the Damned + Macro-interview with Adam LG Nevill by JD’L

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Banquet for the Damned combines several very real elements – night terrors, shamanism, anthropology, witchcraft and heavy metal – in a very real location; St. Andrews. It’s one of the creepiest books I’ve ever read. I had shivers across my skin as I discovered within its pages the histories of the covens of Europe and the studies of evil spirits and familiars in the shamanic traditions of South America and Africa.

Into this world of student revelry and stuffy intellectualism, comes a renegade writer and explorer of altered realities, Eliot Coldwell. And he’s brought something nasty with him. Something hungry. Students begin to disappear from the campus.

At the same time, following the break up of their band, guitarists Dante Shaw and his best friend Tom travel to St. Andrews. They plan to meet Eliot Coldwell, Dante’s spiritual hero and author of the notorious cult novel, Banquet for the Damned. Dante intends to make a concept album using Eliot and his work as the theme.

But instead of finding inspiration in St. Andrews, Dante discovers nightmares stalking the town’s ancient streets…

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It’s no secret that Bloody Books and Virgin Horror were in direct competition for the same share of the genre market. When the Virgin line folded, we were kind of pleased to be left in the game.

Horror Reanimated seeks the best in the genre and, as time went by, we featured Virgin titles and talked to their authors. (See our posts on Thomas Ligotti, Ramsey Campbell and Conrad Williams). Having read plenty of Virgin Horror, it now strikes me as tragic that such high quality fiction will no longer issue forth from that elegantly twisted horn of plenty.

My most recent read was ‘Banquet for the Damned’ by Adam L G Nevill. Originally published by PS Publishing, this title gripped me as hard as any supernatural tale ever has. It is a superbly crafted, beautifully told and genuinely frightening novel. As a final tribute to a noble and prematurely buried imprint, I bring you a candid interview with Adam L G Nevill, author of Banquet and editor of the Virgin Horror line.

We honour the genre’s slain; enemy and friend alike, generals and foot soldiers equally. Why? Because when you throw the festering undead into a pit, they stick together!

But that’s not all. Adam has recently proved himself truly undead having risen again with a major two-book deal…

Joseph D’Lacey: Adam, I’m going to thank you in advance for agreeing to what I realise may be an uncomfortable interview for you following the termination of your horror list.

But I’d like to talk to you first about Banquet for the Damned. This novel came right out of leftfield and slammed me hard upside the head. I’d long believed my supernatural ‘fear’ nerve to be burned out through overuse. Apparently not. What chilled me about the story was the depth of research the characters had done on witchcraft, familiars and evil spirits. It was all too real. What can you say to reassure me that you made it all up?

Adam L G Nevill: Thanks for the really kind words JD’L, and for reading it so carefully. There is nothing more satisfying than finding an ideal reader.

As for reassurance that it’s all fiction, who can say … Night terrors are an absolutely real and universal form of sleep disturbance long associated with witchcraft. My story is inspired by the many actual histories of witchcraft and demonology that I read and researched. And the authors of those tomes were pretty convincing …incubus

While I was based in St Andrews and matriculated at the university, I discovered the most incredible archive of old books on the occult bequeathed to the university library by a former rector. And the university also has a world class anthropology department, with some terrific sources on the occult and superstition in the developing world too. I remember having 40 books on witchcraft and the supernatural on my post-grad library card, when a curious librarian finally asked me what I was doing at the university. It was Lovecraftian – some of the books had not been borrowed since the sixties and I would scurry back to my room and pore over them. I had a year up there and had the time to read dozens of secondary texts on the subject of the unworldly. From that I took great creative license with specific histories and idioms to create the sense that my fictional scholars were authorities in order to make the supernatural element seem authentic. I blended bits and pieces from many documented stories and phenomenon to create my own history of a forgotten pagan god/witch’s familiar that had been called by many different names and moved through the ages, worshipped by one cult or another. I wanted its origins and long story to reflect the patterns of how real history is interpreted and revised, so that even the documentation and sources seemed authentic.

Making the supernatural believable in a modern setting is no easy task, so the carefully wrought history, the scholars, the academic environment, are designed to add credence to a preposterous notion I want a reader to accept. I lose interest in so much horror fiction because of its errant silliness from the beginning, but well-researched books like Matheson’s Hell House, Blatty’s Exorcist and Legion, or most recently Simmon’s The Terror and Brookes’s World War Z unsettle you far more because of that sense of authenticity and plausibility. Place the unrecognisable subtly amongst the recognisable and it’s easier for a reader to lose themselves in a story.

JD’L: Great. Like I’ll sleep a wink tonight knowing all that.

Our resident supernatural horror author, Bill Hussey, doesn’t believe in ghosts, spirits or the afterlife. Aside from the research angle, how much actual experience of the supernatural do you have? Do you think there’s a world we can’t see, a world where dark forces conspire to enter ours?

ALGN: I suffered dreadful night terrors while writing the book. I’d never had them before. Bizarrely, two readers have emailed me to declare the same while reading it. Which would suggest we all induced them subconsciously while either writing or reading a book featuring vivid night terrors. Or, I do wonder, did I make myself receptive to a phenomenon that was actually there anyway? I began the book in St Andrews, but continued writing the novel’s first draft for 18 months in Kent, when these experiences occurred. I would awake periodically to see the outline of a very tall and thin figure standing before the curtains of my room, silhouetted by both the ambient light passing through the curtains and by a thin line of red light, like fire, around its shape. I would sit up, pinch myself, blink, make certain I was fully awake, but the figure would remain there, more or less at the foot of my bed, staring. You can imagine the terror. I even called out and challenged it on a number of occasions, but received no response. It would eventually walk the length of the room, then turn and vanish through the door. I base one scene in Banquet on what I experienced. My landlord in Kent was deeply uncomfortable with such talk, and his girlfriend told me of a family tragedy involving fire which explained his reticence. I said no more about it, but she also pointed out to me how a second shadow would follow my landlord from room to room in this lovely old house we lived in. And sure enough, it did. The second shadow was a different size.

real-ghostAdd to that, as an undergraduate, while billeted in halls that were once part of a military hospital, I would often wake because someone was standing beside my bed and leaning over me, with their face close to mine. It used to scare me witless. Door handles would also turn, doors would open, no one would come through, though other residents at the end of the corridor featuring the affected rooms would see a woman in a white uniform entering or leaving.

On holiday, in an old cottage in Dorset, we would sit in the living room and hear footsteps walk the length of the rooms upstairs. It was terrifying at first, but by the end of the week we became accustomed to the walking figure (though no one would go to the toilet alone). The owners of the cottage informed me that nearly every visitor experiences a haunting there and someone even took a photo of the ghost, looking through a window. Needless to say, we never went back, and I am relieved it was not me that saw that face at the window.

Add a whole raft of inexplicable sixth sense experiences to these brushes with the uncanny, as well as the fact that everyone has a ghost story, so I don’t rule out ‘activity’ after death. Both positive and negative activity (most of our family hauntings were positive farewells from the recently departed, and I have two relatives with psychic tendencies). I may revile religious fundamentalism, and am no fan of most organised religion either, but I do find the current atheistic lobby tedious. And believing in nothing but status and money seems to be a modern dilemma.

I think the very act of writing has an element of mysticism involved too, and I have sympathies with Machen and Blackwood’s creative visions, who were both mystical writers. A deep involvement in fiction, both reading and writing, has also given me transcendent experiences and I wouldn’t be without them.

JD’L: Banquet is set in locations that are very well known to you. Dante and Tom set off from Birmingham and spend standrews-catchedralmost of the novel in St. Andrews. To begin with, I thought these real locations were going to kill my suspension of disbelief. In the end the effect was the opposite. Such was the power of the writing that I could see the streets of St Andrews and its old buildings and dark alleyways – even though I’ve never been there. How important do you think the setting was to the success of the novel?

ALGN: Thanks again JD’L. St Andrews is pretty much a character in the novel. I drove up there knowing I wanted to write a novel of supernatural horror, with a vague idea of the story featuring a notorious but nearly forgotten book and occult scholar. But when I received my first sighting of the town, I knew I had found my setting. The town was such a tremendous inspiration – it is one of those places that make the supernatural seem possible. The wealth of history, the architecture, the tributes to martyrs, the shadowy courts, the very age of the place, just conjured macabre fantasies. I was absurdly terrified of doing it an injustice, and was so enthusiastic about the town, I did my absolute best to recreate it in language as precisely as I was able at the time. Again, I do think a detailed sense of place and conjuring of atmosphere through specific details lays the ground for the insertion of the implausible, the impossible, and aids the suspension of disbelief. The very physical presence of the ancient town, twinned with extensive reading, allowed the story to write itself. So without St st-andrews-abbey-1Andrews, there would have been no Banquet.

JD’L: There are so many passages in Banquet that are a delight to read. The story is magnetic but the way you tell it is reminiscent of the literary styles of bygone horror authors. It put me very much in mind of M. R. James. Was that a deliberate ‘one-off’ or is this the voice of Adam L G Nevill that we can expect to hear again? I’m particularly interested in your answer because I know you’ve had some good news recently…

We’ll get to that soon…

ALGN: I do wear my influences on my sleeve in Banquet. And M R James was the chief mentor that guided my hand. My dad read many of the classic supernatural writers to my brother and I when we were boys: James, Poe, Mare, Collier, and his shelves were groaning with Lovecraft and Blackwood, which I then explored on my own. Such dark matter had a deep impact on my imagination at that age – I truly experienced what one critic called “the sublime of terror” – and I was pretty much destined to try and recreate it in my own fiction at some point. So my reading of the canon of the supernatural in fiction will always be apparent, and I’m deeply in debt to the classic masters. As I also am to the modern masters in the field. Robert Aickman, Thomas Ligotti, and Ramsey Campbell have taken the weird tale to the mountain, not only in terms of their actual bodies of work, but in a mastery of language and style that few can be consistently compared to in any genre. All three of those writers have given me wonderful examples of introducing more speculative and surreal elements to a treatment of the supernatural in fiction. I think this is evident in my second novel. I also think it’s worth mentioning that your development as a writer is in tune with your development as a reader. I was never sophisticated enough as a reader mr-jameswhen I first began writing seriously, but by reading great writers patiently, pennies began to drop. So often these days I’ll pick up a book and think, this writer hasn’t read enough.

JD’L: Banquet is a brilliant example of the triumph of style over gratuity. It’s tense and claustrophobic and the exact nature of the evil remains veiled even when you describe it directly. When violence and malevolence occur, when blood is spilled, it’s done with great delicacy and poetry. How did you manage this?

ALGN: When describing the supernatural, producing risible descriptions is probably the easiest thing to do. And it is the bane of the field. Fear is also difficult to describe. Producing clarity and impact, is bloody hard. I doubt there are many books as bad as bad horror novels, nor films for that matter as bad as bad horror films, but there are few books or films as powerful as great horror novels and films. I aspired to, and looked to, the best in the genre. I pretty much took two years out from work and lived on about three grand a year, in the late nineties, to deliberately hone the craft and improve as a writer. I paid a lot of attention to cultivating subtlety through glimpses and suggestions, as opposed to full reveals. There are no better examples of this style in the field than in the fiction of M R James, who only wrote fiction with the full intention of frightening and disturbing a reader. It was my goal to combine the stylistic traits of the better late Victorian and the Edwardian authors, like James, within a thoroughly modern multi-plot structure that Stephen King and Dan Simmons made their own, and to also write in the present tense to emulate a cinematic feel. If a reader could accept that immediate-tense narration, I hoped the actual appearances of the supernatural in the novel might take on a more vivid nature within the reader’s imagination. Perhaps in a personal film. I also wanted the power of a short story to endure throughout a long novel. What was I thinking? In hindsight, I realise many seem to believe that it cannot be achieved in a horror novel. Stylistically, it was a bloody ambitious book to write, though the occult element may appear conservative and ‘old school’ to many as it deals with possession and witchcraft. So, Banquet was every bit as much of an example of a new writer trying to achieve a particular set of criteria within a novel, and also hoping that it would be a good story for an average reader who would be unaware of the scaffolding.

Did it work? It took three years of constant revision to complete the book, and I remember being profoundly disappointed when I finished it. Looking back, and reading generous praise from readers, I feel much happier with that debut.

I also read a terrific thesis by Peter Penzholdt, in which he identified and explored various treatments of the supernatural in fiction, including M R James. His study identified techniques that I was only occasionally stumbling across, on an instinctive level as a writer, and wondering afterwards how I’d achieved a certain affect. His study helped me find more consistency. My tutors at St Andrews were also poets, and poets are masters of language, which is why I chose St Andrews in the first place to study writing formally. I never doubted my ideas, but I was right to doubt my ability at expressing them. I desperately needed a mentor – someone who could look at my actual writing and tell me what was wrong with it. Get the actual writing right first, is the best advice I can give anyone. At times the criticism was crushing and I doubted whether I should even continue writing. I’d go back to my room after a tutorial, deflated. But by the end of the year, I’d experienced nothing short of a personal renaissance. I learnt how the use of simple, innocent diction, in a calculated and coercive fashion, can build and build, and prove more powerful than the use of language that on its own, in isolation from the rest of a sentence, carries an unpleasant meaning. I eschewed the latter, and used the former. M R James preferred “wet” to “slimy” and I do too. Good poets and short story writers consider the music and image of every descriptive word to create the desired effect. I’ll approach every scene in that way, then look at how these scenes are attached to the one preceding and following, and then rework to maintain fluency and pace without losing descriptive power in the set-pieces. Above all I learned that good writing is all about rewriting. Draft after draft with long breaks in between each draft. Eventually when the removal of one comma will cause a total collapse, it’s as good as it will get.

JD’L: When readers see a book on a shelf and the name on its spine they rarely understand the time and effort that put it there. I’m not just talking about the novel they’re actually looking at either. So much more has to have already happened for the miracle of publication to occur. At times, I even think other authors believe those with bigger, better deals or greater sales figures have somehow lucked into it overnight. Can you tell us a little about the crests and troughs you’ve ridden from dream to publication?

ALGN: Banquet was complete in 2000. I began it in late 1997. But by 2002 every agent who accepted fiction in the Writers and Artists Yearbook had eventually turned down my letter of introduction. I don’t think anyone ever read a word of the actual book. “No horror” being the usual refrain, or “too many authors already”. And as no publisher took unsolicited manuscripts, that was that. Game over. By then, I’d forsaken a career in television a second time. I was living on a shoe-string (again) and enduring an existence above an old pub in East London and working nights as a security guard. And going mad with sleep deprivation and a sense of despair. Only my erotica novels kept me afloat.

From 1997 onwards, I was lucky enough to be published as an author of erotica. I wrote nine novels in total, for Virgin Books’s Nexus imprint (which I was asked to edit in late 2004). Approximately one each year, so I carried on cutting my teeth in another genre that was box-office back in the nineties, while horror seemed all but dead as a mainstream publishing concern. My Nexus books kept me going. Built morale. It was pulp fiction under a pseudonym, but it was the ultimate confirmation of publication and a great education in novel-writing. I even wrote one erotica novel in the second person, several from first person female POVs – with each novel I attempted a different approach to narration.

Then my editor at Virgin, James Marriott, showed one of my horror stories to John Couthard, who recommended me to Ramsey Campbell. Ramsey was putting together a collection called Gathering The Bones and took my story, Mother’s Milk. I was amazed. My first publication under my actual name and the rite-of-passage horror story that I wrote at the end of my masters in St Andrews. Being a cheeky blighter I then asked Ramsey in 2003 for advice with the novel Banquet for the Damned, which I had revisited and rewritten again in 2002, and Ramsey recommended me to Peter Crowther at PS. I was unaware of small presses at the time, but Peter read and accepted Banquet within a week. Without Ramsey and Peter, Banquet would have remained an uneaten meal, mouldering in the pantry of my hard drive. Peter then championed the book for years and it started to develop a modest reputation among other writers and critics who said some very kind things. Had it been the eighties, the story may have been different, but I’d written a big supernatural horror novel in a publishing climate that had no interest in horror. I was bloody lucky to find a sympathetic writer of considerable reputation, and a sympathetic publisher in Peter Crowther. They brought me into print as a writer of supernatural horror.

JD’L: Having been through all this yourself, it must have been tough notifying your Virgin Horror authors that the imprint had reached the end of the road. Was the imprint doomed from the word go or do you think, if certain things had been different, the line might still be going?

ALGN: We’d been taken over by a big international corporate publisher in 2007, but were still working under the existing Virgin management and I was asked to create new fiction lines. I immediately put horror forward as one idea. Everyone was excited, we had big plans, the critical path was set, so it certainly wasn’t doomed from the get go. On the contrary. But during the first year in 2008, despite how promising the line was, the company’s strategy began moving in a non-fiction direction. New management, new staff, more changes, new focuses, and I was kind of left alone in fiction on the sidelines, but without any real resources to publish the 2009 list. Then cutbacks and title-count reductions hit with the recession, people started losing their jobs etc. Fiction was wound right back to the erotica I had been editing since 2005, plus the cult fiction reprints I was producing for Bukowski. The editorial strategy had moved almost exclusively to non-fiction, leaving horror, erotica and me, high and dry. But the list was acclaimed, it was successful at the level it was published, and may well have continued at a better level had the company’s publishing strategy not changed. So it was deeply disappointing having to tell the authors of the end after such an exciting start. Nine months later I was delivering the same message to a hundred erotica authors too. Again, not something I chose to do nor enjoyed doing. Considering the re-emergence of horror – one of the only good pieces of news in fiction publishing these days – it now looks horribly premature to have buried us thus and so quickly. Ironically, The Birthing House was the first book I tried to buy for the list and that went on to sell 150K copies for Sphere, who published it so well. I’d even say, we were ahead of our time. As I said to the authors too, we may not have swung wide the gates of hell, but we certainly took the catch of the porch door. Having Bloody Books up and dancing at the same time as the Virgin horror line, it was an exciting time to see the underground – the punks – looking to the mainstream again. We raised consciousness and published some fine books. Can’t believe I got Thomas Ligotti into Smiths Travel too – I mark that as an editorial achievement. And if you look at the breadth and quality on those two horror lists, in an age of mediocre thrillers, predictable post-colonial literary fiction, ghost-written celeb fiction, and Vatican conspiracy nonsense, I think we can hold our grizzled, lipless and mottled heads up high.

JD’L: It’s been my experience of publishing that you never know what’s round the next corner. Your personal story seems to fit with this. After all you’ve put up with, suddenly there’s some real sunshine brightening the next part of your writing journey. A two book deal, no less! How did it come about and what was your reaction?

ALGN: To quote Chevy Chase in Caddyshack, “Cinderella Story, boy from nowhere.” When my agent John Jarrold called me to tell me the results of the auction, as I held the phone, my hand shook. Pretty much waited my entire life as a writer for an opportunity like this. I started writing seriously, with it being the major focus of my every day, and as a purpose for life, in 1995. So after fifteen years, I do feel like I have spent a long time in an apprenticeship.

I finished my second novel of supernatural horror at Xmas – another ambitious three year epic, this time written around a very busy fulltime job in publishing. One publisher expressed firm interest in late May of this year, then another and another … And John set an auction date. The very word “auction” in relation to me is hard to even say, and the enthusiasm from the editors was overwhelming. And that’s not false modesty. I vividly remember 40 plus rejections to my introductory letter for Banquet in 2000. They took two years to come in, and by the time the final one had landed on the mat, my head was down. Having worked in publishing I also know how hard it is for editors to pitch and get enough positive feedback from sales, publicity, export, rights, marketing, and management about a proposal. But my second book seemed to generate that at the appropriate levels, and as I’m 50K words into the first draft of a third novel, we submitted a partial of that too. So it became a two-book deal.

JD’L: Any chance of a whisper of what your next novels are about?

ALGN: The second novel is haunted building story spanning generations, my London novel; the third a ‘great outdoors’ novel of psychic terror.

JD’L: Time for the awards ceremony, Adam…

You have honour of making two nominations. First is the Sword of the Ultimate Darkness which goes to the work of horror in any medium which, in your opinion, is a timeless classic.

Second, you may banish to the Plague Pits the worst example of our beloved genre in any medium.

Please make your nominations.

ALGN: I consider this a real honour. For the Sword of Ultimate Darkness, I’d like to mention a book that may have slipped under the radar for many, but it’s a magnificent second horror novel by an American writer called David Searcy, whom I know almost nothing about, but the book needs its profile raised and I treasure it. I found it in a bookshop in New York in 2004. The cover caught my eye. I read the back, checked the first few pages and bought it. It’s one of those books that both made me want to write and also to give up writing because it is so good. It’s a terrific amalgam of M R James and William Faulkner, of Daniel Woodrell and Algernon Blackwood. American noir, scarecrow horror. I read it in one sitting in Hyde Park under a tree, and found myself glancing over my shoulder as the end drew near. It’s called Last Things by David Searcy.

The Plague Pits are overflowing, but I’d like to cast the remake of The Haunting, starring Liam Neeson and Catherine Zeta Jones, into the pit, along with the entire cast and crew for taking part in such a sham, plus the studio that probably ruined what was originally an honest endeavour. If anyone else was unlucky enough to pay to see this film, they’ll know why it belongs at the bottom of the pit.

JD’L: Lovely choices!

It only remains for me to say a heartfelt thanks on behalf of all at Horror Reanimated for joining us here in the rotting colon of purgatory. And to apologise for the smell, of course. We wish you the very best of luck for all your future projects.

It was a pleasure, thanks very much for the kind words and for having me. And also for giving me an opportunity to leave the indistinct bone-thing, that has been following me, with you. The runes are cast…


10 comments August 17th, 2009

Interview with Johnny Kevorkian, Director of The Disappeared

j_kevorkianBack in August 2008 I managed to get in to the UK premiere of Johnny Kevorkian’s excellent and chilling urban ghost story The Disappeared at the Frightfest in London. (Review here and film website here - from whence I purloined all these images). The film went down a treat and was a highlight of the festival, IMHO.

A few weeks later I managed to catch a busy,  somewhat relieved and very amiable Mr. Kevorkian, (no relation), for a coffee and a chat to discuss this very British film, which is currently enjoying a well-deserved run at the ICA cinema throughout June and July.

MFR: Where did the seed of the idea for The Disappeared originate?

JK: Myself and Neil Murphy, the Producer had had a really bad experience of a film script that we had optioned. I’m not going to mention the name. We’d tweaked the script and made it much better, but then we lost the funding and it was very, very frustrating. We said to ourselves that we couldn’t keep on getting other people’s scripts and spending all this time and money on them and then losing them at the eleventh hour. People were getting greedy and other comanies became interested and talking about getting big actors, big stars involved. Most of the time it doesn’t work, you want something gritty instead of too polished, something that sends shivers down your spine, the hairs on the back of your neck, that’s what we wanted. The cheaper the horror film, the scarier the horror film. That’s my thing. We wanted to concentrate on the horror in it, the atmosphere; whereas if you’ve got a big studio-type horror film they won’t allow you to get away with that. Atmosphere is the last thing on their minds. They want you to focus on the stars, and I don’t think it works for a horror film, those slick techniques.

disappeared_014So we thought, let’s just write our own, let’s come up with our own damn idea! We sat down and said let’s do a horror film, we can do it really cheaply and get away with it. And in the UK, at the time, there weren’t many horror films being produced. Not this type of film, maybe a few slasher films, which I love as well, don’t get me wrong I love all that sort of stuff, but we wanted to make a more atmospheric film, with more about the characters. We wanted to make a classic, old-school chiller, something we hadn’t seen for a while. It started out the the EVP (electronic voice phenomena) idea of watching a press conference about a murder and hearing a voice of the victim. We saw a few of these on television a while ago, and we decided to see what we could do with that.

But we had to be careful as there was that Michael Keaton film, (White Noise), coming out and we didn’t want to go down that route. I avoided that film at the time, and have only just seen it, and there’s no comparison. Once we had the main idea we looked at the environment. Where could we set the film? Suburbia? No. Let’s go to somewhere a bit more gritty. Let’s make it scary. A council estate. Let’s give people something they aren’t expecting. Once we’d found the estate we’d have the whole place to set the film. Not just the inside of a suburban house.

disappeared_200MFR: And how did you find the collaboration process with Neil Murphy?

JK: We sat down at different desks in the same room and just wrote. We had to be quite disciplined. Neil would come over and we’d lock ourselves in the flat for the whole day until six or seven at night. I really enjoy the process. I had a lot of ideas for scenes that I could already see in my head. Then we’d go off separately and I’d write pages 10-20 and Neil would write pages 21-40 and we’d put our own intepretation on the story. Then we’d sit down and combine the two versions; we got rid of loads of stuff - that’s crap, that’s crap. When we got the green-light to do the film we had a first draft that took a month to do, and the second draft took another month and a half.

MFR: The film has two distinct halves - the contemporary urban ghost story, influenced by Asian scares; and the eerily atmospheric, almost gothic horror of the tunnels beneath the Church, influenced by the British Hammer and Amicus traditions…

disappeared_193JK: The big dilemma was how much to actually put in the film itself. In the older drafts we had more horror running throughout the whole film, and we had to think about how much we could leave in and still tell the same story. Having really interesting locations helped make that choice as they really help the tone and atmosphere, without really having to ’say’ it in the script. A lot of the gothicness came in as we shot. The church is one of my favourite locations. I found the location I had in my head. The brief was find a place that gives me a feel of the church in Salem’s Lot. I love that seventies scary unpleasant feel. That was in Honor Oak in South East London. It even had the right door!

MFR: Are you a Londoner? How did you set about finding the locations…

JK: I’ve been in London forever! It was interesting and we had to look around for a while, and although it’s a low-budget film, it does have a budget and a whole film-crew to look after and to get from place-to-place. It’s not a Blair Witch, put-a-camera-on-a-shoulder-and-run-around, so there was a lot of responsibility. I gave the location guy a brief: it had to be colourless, it really had to feel creepy. I avoided shooting scenes with lots of extras, and tried to keep everything to a bare minumum. I wanted the atmosphere to come through by itself.

disappeared_030When I saw the pictures of Heygate, (the estate near Elephant and Castle, now being redeveloped and its residents rehomed), I knew straight away. When I went there for the first time it was really odd. It’s surrounded by the city, but when you get there and walk through the heart of the estate you can’t hear anything. It had the atmosphere I was looking for - no one’s going to want to walk across this estate, it had a sense of being forgotten about, like the kids who are going missing in the film. It also had a sense of timelessness. I kept technology out of the film as much as I could. There are no mobile phones. I wanted the place isolated, cut off from the rest of the world. The bland colours of the buildings were striking, blending into the background really well.

We liased with the Council and shot there for three and a half weeks; the whole film took just under five weeks. We tried to keep in the background, but as soon as the kids on the estate got wind that Tom Felton (of the Harry Potter films) was there, they ran around asking for autographs, but it helped us befriend the locals who were absolutely lovely. There were a few ‘junkie’ types who didn’t want us there; but the majority were a good bunch, and it was an estate full of families, a family-run estate, with lots of people working there who also lived there. In the playground scenes we had to stop the kids running around: we’ll give you an autograph if you sit still for a few minutes, and they were great.

disappeared_012MFR: Matthew’s flat had a real impact on me. I couldn’t imagine living in such a place…

JK: The interior of the flat was real. We actually did it down a bit. It was a great location, but it felt so claustrophobic. After being there in the flat for a whole week, it felt hot and enclosed, althugh the walls were paper-thin. It was the real deal, as were all the locations in the film.

MFR: And where did you film the subterranean scenes? In London?

JK: The tunnels are the Chislehurst Caves, on the borders of Kent. There are 20 miles of man-made tunnels. People used to live there in the Second World War. There are churches down there, whole communities lived there beneath the ground. When you first go in, it’s quite daunting and the crew were a bit freaked out. We were going to be there over three days, from first thing in the morning to last thing at night. It feels cold in there at first, but it’s got this bizarre temperature that you get used to - not cold or warm. Nothing grows in there. or lives in there anymore. It’s absolutely pitch black. No lights at all. You have to take torches and if you got lost you had a whistle. It’s the real thing and we thought we’d just film this thing. If we’d had a budget we’d have probably lit it or built it in a studio. In the sequence where Matthew’s running through the tunnels, I wanted the scene to be just running and running until the film runs out of the magazine, and you couldn’t get that in a studio. In a studio you’d have to be clever with the lighting and cutting, but there was no cutting, he just kept running. There was a problem with the crew running after him though! But I like the idea of this whole manicness. You can hardly see what’s going on, and that’s purely deliberate, and not knowing what’s going on I wanted to bring that across in this great location. I think the crew became a bit stir crazy, and it was exhausting carrying all the equipment a long way in there. It wasn’t just a cave, for example, the altar room had six or seven different areas leading off from it, so to make up that one location there were six or seven places to be used. That’s where a studio has an advantage, I had to cut to make things seamless.

disappeared_189MFR: How do you make locations scary?

JK: Excellent question! I think it’s to do with the way you shoot it, in terms of lighting and colour. And I think it’s how you time your shots. Going back to other horror films, there a lot of fast cuts, but I think you lose that sense of what’s scary. What I find scary is staring at someone or something for a long time and the atmosphere builds around you and absorbs you. But a lot of the time it is the actual location itself, the look of the thing. We filtered a bit, but what I wanted the most was to use it and show it how it was. The brief to Diego, the cinematographer was let’s make it realistic, let’s not stylize, right up until the caves let’s not follow a strict way of doing things. Once we got into the caves - let’s go for stark lighting and bring up the horror elements and I think the contrast really works.

MFR: So the darkness, a time-old problem for horror film-makers. Does hi-def make a difference?

JK: When we did the first cut of the movie, which was about two hours, me and the Editor sat down and tried to bring out the horror and the atmosphere. I was very nervous, because the last half of the film is so dark, we filmed with one light source, but people like it, and I think it worked. A lot of the films you see these days, it’s dark, but it’s not dark. It’s not what you’d see. If there’s no light you can’t see anything and that’s why it’s scary!

You could shoot it in hi-def, but it goes quite milky and you lose that denseness of the blacks. So we shot on film. If we’d used hi-def we wouldn’t have got the gritty atmosphere we did. We had a cast and crew screening and we’d converted to hi-def - it looked good, but not good enough. We projected it on 35mm at the Odeon (at Frightfest) and it looked great. On DVD it’ll look great because we’ll keep the source elements, the discipline of how we shot it, in the negative. The 35mm and the Hi-def are two completely different versions really.

disappeared_181MFR: The Disappeared’s a very English film, but perhaps employing Asian-inluenced techiques for the portrayal of the ghosts - e.g. reflections in glass, and so on…

JK: People are doing simple things to scare people because they work. The blander and more mundane the settings the scarier they are too. I use classic chill techniques like echoes because they do work. The handheld cameras in the caves also adds to the atmosphere. It feels real and organic. It does feel as if somebody’s there with you. The key is not to make it look handheld, but for it to be handheld. This was all hand-held, but it doesn’t come across, especially for the first part of the film.

MFR: I really enjoyed the way you set-up a mythology of South east London ghosts…

JK: Again, you just don’t see this in films. This city and that area in particular has a massive history of sightings and they’re just not used enough.

disappeared_055MFR: Were you aware that the characters and story could be seen as a metaphor for those people who live on the estate, some with troubled lives perhaps, and those who’ve lost children…

JK: Yes. The story and locations play on the biggest fears of society; estate gangs; dysfunctional families; child abduction. All these things, if you put them all into one location and it becomes even scarier. It makes it real, and people respond to that.

[A series of photos taken around the estates of the Elephant and Castle by students studying photojournalism can be seen here. Check out image 11 - the Ashenden building on the Heygate Estate.]

disappeared_116MFR: Harry Treadaway, as Matthew Ryan is awesome. How did you find the casting process?

JK: It was more of a case, especially with the more established actors, that I’d meet them and see if they wanted to work with me, as a first-time Director.

With Matthew’s character, Harry Treadaway nailed it. Without him the film would be nothing. It’s a drama as much as anything so if he’s dropped the ball at anytime it would have been over. Due to his success, Harry’s very selective about the roles he chooses these days, but Matthew’s a great, great character. So I had to reassure Harry, and talk with him about what I wanted from the character: let’s not have this character, who, depsite being scared, runs about screaming. Matthew’s messed up in his head; and in the film, is it in his head, or is it real? He liked that angle and especially the fact he is a quiet character. There was one scene, where Matthew and Jake, his father, blow up, and I took it out as it detracted from the atmosphere. Greg Wise who plays Jake is about 20 years older than Harry, so the father and son relationship worked really well. You had to feel so sorry for the kids in the film. Matthew’s character is quiet and messed up; whereas Tom’s character, Simon, is louder and more confident, but who goes through massive attitudinal changes later in the film, when his sister goes missing.

Casting the evil character was challenging - how does he play it? Not under or over play it? He needed to be menacing and was the last character casted. The evil character, you could take him back to another time, another place, and people make their own interpretations. Some might say he’s a vampire. But he’s not. All these different things come up, and it’s quite nice. I definitely wanted to keep the ending very, very ambiguous.

disappeared_046MFR: Frightfest was back in August 2008, so I got an update from Johnny on progress since then…

JK: The Frightfest guys really helped us get a lot of press which has been great and it has resulted to having its Uk theatrical release at the ICA in London.

The ICA run and some great reviews have also led to interest from some other distributors to pick it up for DVD in the Autumn.

Up to this ICA run the film has been doing the festival circuit over the last few months and picking up some awards along the way at some nice festivals. The film recently won best feature and sound at the Eerie Horror Fest in Pennsylvania, Mauvais Genre France 2009 – Winner of Young Jury’s Prize 2009 in the feature category and also Houston International Film Festival 2009 - Winner of Best Narrative Feature Award. It also screened at Screamfest in LA, Lund in Sweden, the Dublin Horrorthon, Dead Channels San Francisco, Ravenna in Italy, Leeds, Malaga.

We have also sold the film to IFC films in US and it will have its release from the IFC theaters platform which which be screened all over IFC’s channels across North America. The release is from the 8th of July, very exciting!

My next projects starts the end of this year. It’s called, Sleep Thief. It’s a combination of Cronenberg’s Dead Ringers, and The Machinist, it has a great story with very strong central characters. It does have some ghostly elements like in The Others. It plays very much on modern fears and is very topical. We are in the process of casting the male lead now - will keep you posted.

Interview with Johnny Kevorkian, by Mathew F. Riley

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